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Thought P.M. Rudd made an excellent, statesmanlike and long long overdue speech.

Felt sorry for Brendon Nelson having to respond - not to the Prime Minister - but to a tiny handful of vicious ratbags and wealthy party "supporters" afflicted by Korsakoff's syndrome and suchlike disorder of the intellect who still infest your Party.

When are you going to have a purge, expel these fools from your Party and allow your elected parliamentarians to get on with their job of being a vigorous Opposition striving to return to Government?.

Muzz :

"Despite what you call good intentions, the shameful acts occurred and we all wear the legacy today. "

Failure is NOT accepting similar actions happen today, and shall again.

Such actions almost always claimed to be done "with best intentions".

"Best intentions" demonstrating absence of concern for basic human rights of people being done over by the process.

Usually such actions done by people with power or influence, where victims possess restricted ability to appeal.

Mick Dodson and David Ross may be demonstrating anger about earlier separation of families, yet without hesitation they ordered and supported segregation of families, overseen denial of otherwise held basic human rights to people living under the ALR(NT).

All governments deny justice, obstruct victims from obtaining legal aid to challenge such decisions, all because they can get away with it.

HREOC made choices to wear blinkers, to remain blind, in preference to moving to public hearings, in the process declaring human rights to be coded with selected colors.

Pastor Martin Niemoeller :

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out.

Grham,

I suggest you read the Rudd speech from today. Hopefully it may give you some insight into how fatuous this post is.

Good points by both Graham & Pearson.

Life is complex, and there were undoubtably a range of situations surrounding state-custody of children... and it continues to be a difficult issue to manage. I'm glad that it's not my job to decide when a parent loses their child. I -- like all people, including Patrick & Muzz -- would probably make mistakes.

In contrast, there is no ambiguity surrounding the general point that aboriginal people were unfairly treated during the white migration. This might have been the norm throughout the world and throughout history... but it is a good thing to hold ourselves to higher standards.

So Patrick and Muzz, you think that the only thing we have to apologise for is the "Stolen Generation" and that this was the worst thing that actually happened to indigenous Australians? That's amazing.

Or are you off on some sort of culture war foray where anyone who tries to look at the issue in any complexity is branded?

Patrick if you want to work on the basis of anecdote, perhaps you might want to take issue with Noel Pearson in the Oz today. He acknowledges the moral complexity of the issue, and he has personal experience to back it up. Check the article out at http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23196221-28737,00.html.

Sorry Graham
I thnk your error starts with "the events on which it is premised are legitimately disputed and the legislation upon which they were based was passed with the best of intentions"
I think the Nuremburgh Defence" has been well established that a defence of ignorance is not enough.
The " arguable premises of the legislation" are beside the point.
Despite what you call good intentions, the shameful acts occurred and we all wear the legacy today.
About time we(whitefellas) learn to deal with it, teach it ( Aboriginal history and culture in our schools) and move forward together, the better.

I agree with you on this point Graham. And it's now apparently 'Stolen Generations' not 'Stolen Generation'.

Your attitude to the policy of removal seems off-hand, perhaps even glib. Is this really how you would like to have yourself represented? "Say sorry, so what, who cares". Fantastic sentiment.

I would like to see you sources of "legitimate dispute", let's hope it's not Windy.
As for best of intentions, well, see below:

"Early one morning in November 1952 the manager from Burnt Bridge Mission came to our home with a policeman. I could hear him saying to Mum, `I am taking the two girls and placing them in Cootamundra Home’. My father was saying, `What right have you?’. The manager said he can do what he likes, they said my father had a bad character (I presume they said this as my father associated with Aboriginal people). They would not let us kiss our father goodbye, I will never forget the sad look on his face. He was unwell and he worked very hard all his life as a timber-cutter. That was the last time I saw my father, he died within two years after."